Getting to Yes, And

Never Not Working


Malissa Clark

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Kelly connects with Malissa Clark, an associate professor of industrial and organizational psychology at the University of Georgia. Her new book is called “Never Not Working: Why the Always-On Culture is Bad for Business – and How to Fix it.”

What’s the relationship between workaholics and time that is unstructured?

“What you will notice with workaholics is not just that they’re always doing, but that there is always structure to what they’re doing. Unstructured time feels uncomfortable for a workaholic.”

And also, at the end of our lives, how are we reflecting on a life well lived?

"According to Bonnie Ware, author of ‘The Top Five Regrets of the Dying,’ the number two regret of people on their deathbed is ‘I wish I hadn’t worked so hard.’ The number one regret is ‘I wish I’d had the courage to live a life true to myself, not the life others expected of me.’ So, ask yourself, what is really important to you? Are you living in line with these values?”

What’s the most important message you want to convey in the book?

“The most important message to take away from all of this is that the research conclusively strikes down the myth that workaholism is a good thing – for individuals, for their families, and, in particular, for their organizations. Workaholics suffer at the hands of their excessive and compulsive work, and those around them suffer as well.”


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